I like labels as an option to show things that aren't quite as useful as properties. Things like factions or notes about what they're doing. I've taken to using labels as states instead of the built in system. It works pretty well and I prefer it to the built in as they kind of break the mood compared to the professional maps/tokens/effects/portraits I've been using.
The best part is labels are easily ignored by those uninterested in using them
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I came to the conclusion that we will need to be able to see vision from the NPC's. Not all the time but some of the time.
The way vision and light is right now, it isn't so big of a deal to lose Vision on the NPC's but some DM's may want to anyway. When we have Lowlight and Dark vision, then we will definately need it. Many monsters have Lowlight - dragons have it even better than normal. If the party is walking into a large carvern with a torch, I will want to be able to click on my dragon and see what he can see with his eyes. With longer than normal Lowlight vision, it is critical for this to exist.
But the fact remains; we do not have that type of vision yet. But I still think users playing different types of games will want to be able to see NPC vision - war games perhaps?
Here are some ideas to get it back in there:
1. Have a View option in the View Menu which has a keytroke assigned to it. This will work much like View as Player where we can View Vision as PC's and View Vision as NPC's.
2. Instead of having yet another menu option, automatically assign it to the View. As a GM, I am constantly switching between GM View and Player View. Perhaps when we are in Payer view, we will see vision through the PCs; if we are viewing through normal view, we are viewing through the NPC's.
3. Perhaps we should have a switch on the token to view vision for that specific NPC.
4. Trevor, you had an idea to have another 'type'. In addition to having a PC and NPC, we also have one called "Prop". This way everything a GM controls is a prop until chaged to an NPC when needed. When changed to NPC, it has all vision activated like it did pre-1.3b25. It sort of activates NPC tokens as needed.
I am not sure of the best way to approach this but I do think that seeing vision with an NPC is critical -- but so is performance which is why you changed this in the first place.
The way vision and light is right now, it isn't so big of a deal to lose Vision on the NPC's but some DM's may want to anyway. When we have Lowlight and Dark vision, then we will definately need it. Many monsters have Lowlight - dragons have it even better than normal. If the party is walking into a large carvern with a torch, I will want to be able to click on my dragon and see what he can see with his eyes. With longer than normal Lowlight vision, it is critical for this to exist.
But the fact remains; we do not have that type of vision yet. But I still think users playing different types of games will want to be able to see NPC vision - war games perhaps?
Here are some ideas to get it back in there:
1. Have a View option in the View Menu which has a keytroke assigned to it. This will work much like View as Player where we can View Vision as PC's and View Vision as NPC's.
2. Instead of having yet another menu option, automatically assign it to the View. As a GM, I am constantly switching between GM View and Player View. Perhaps when we are in Payer view, we will see vision through the PCs; if we are viewing through normal view, we are viewing through the NPC's.
3. Perhaps we should have a switch on the token to view vision for that specific NPC.
4. Trevor, you had an idea to have another 'type'. In addition to having a PC and NPC, we also have one called "Prop". This way everything a GM controls is a prop until chaged to an NPC when needed. When changed to NPC, it has all vision activated like it did pre-1.3b25. It sort of activates NPC tokens as needed.
I am not sure of the best way to approach this but I do think that seeing vision with an NPC is critical -- but so is performance which is why you changed this in the first place.
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I'm seeing the same thing though it didn't do it the first time.When editing tables they create a duplicate.
The "Deck w/ Joker" doesn't work at all. Error comes back as "Could not do table lookup: Undefined variable: w"
Clicking on the New table icon didn't give me an empty table but instead a copy of the card deck table. This was after several edits and deletes of other tables.
On an aesthetic note, the card coloring is inconsistent with standard decks and is confusing.
The hearts suit has red numbers & symbols until you get to the 8 at which point the numbers are black. The spades suit has red numbers and black symbols. The clubs suit is the same. The diamonds suit has black numbers and red symbols.
The symbols & numbers should match the color of the suit. Red for hearts & diamonds and black for spades & clubs.
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First off, the new tables are great!
But here's what I've noticed:
For the deck with the jokers you have to change the deck name to a single word, no spaces. Also the Joker deck is still set to d52, even though there's now 53 cards.
I too am getting a duplicate deck after editing an existing deck. And if you deleted the duplicate it invalidates the original.
Currently, if an image is dealt, neither the text value or who rolled the table shows. This could be the intended effect for certain tables but there should be an option so you can see who drew the card, or whatever.
But here's what I've noticed:
For the deck with the jokers you have to change the deck name to a single word, no spaces. Also the Joker deck is still set to d52, even though there's now 53 cards.
I too am getting a duplicate deck after editing an existing deck. And if you deleted the duplicate it invalidates the original.
Currently, if an image is dealt, neither the text value or who rolled the table shows. This could be the intended effect for certain tables but there should be an option so you can see who drew the card, or whatever.
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Thanks as always Trevor!
FYI, the light bug appears to actually give something like 1000 ft vision not infinite.
While you're in the light code fixing the bug, if you have time you could make me very happy by including the ability to set arbitrary light distances (like in previous versions with vision). The current setup has fixed distances for both the d20 and generic options -- I'd like to be able to have light sources that extend for example to 120 ft. If that's complicated and you just want to get the bug fixed then just file the request away.
Thanks!
FYI, the light bug appears to actually give something like 1000 ft vision not infinite.
While you're in the light code fixing the bug, if you have time you could make me very happy by including the ability to set arbitrary light distances (like in previous versions with vision). The current setup has fixed distances for both the d20 and generic options -- I'd like to be able to have light sources that extend for example to 120 ft. If that's complicated and you just want to get the bug fixed then just file the request away.
Thanks!
Jared
Okay, what card decks? I get a tables window but no card decks as standard. What on earth? Did the default card deck/dice just appear in the table window for you all?
EDIT: Ignore me - I've just found the Add Default Tables item under the Help menu. However the table I created before wasn't there this time. How do we get tables to save? Are they supposed to be part of the specific campaign file, or is it like macros and get saved for all maptool sessions? If it is the second, I am currently not seeing that behaviour.
EDIT: Ignore me - I've just found the Add Default Tables item under the Help menu. However the table I created before wasn't there this time. How do we get tables to save? Are they supposed to be part of the specific campaign file, or is it like macros and get saved for all maptool sessions? If it is the second, I am currently not seeing that behaviour.
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I was all giddy when I saw there was another build...pretty funny.
Is anyone having difficulty opening previous campaigns from b24? I can still load all my test campaigns from in b24, but not b25. The screen will flash 'Loading Campaign' for a moment, but then go back to the previous campaign.
I also set up custom token properties and exported them to a file. I cannot load that file...I assume that is what is not allowing me to load my campaign.
Oh, yeah....where are those nice dice pics you were testing with?
Is anyone having difficulty opening previous campaigns from b24? I can still load all my test campaigns from in b24, but not b25. The screen will flash 'Loading Campaign' for a moment, but then go back to the previous campaign.
I also set up custom token properties and exported them to a file. I cannot load that file...I assume that is what is not allowing me to load my campaign.
Oh, yeah....where are those nice dice pics you were testing with?
Trevor, the file is on it's way to [email protected]. The file is about 1 meg...I hope it helps.
Thanks for the heads up on the dice pics. I love the progress you've made on the table implementation. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the heads up on the dice pics. I love the progress you've made on the table implementation. Keep up the good work.
Your campaign should work fine in b26