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 Post subject: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:52 am 
DN5.x/DN4.3/Veggie2.1/Veggie2.3X Hybrid File is here.
Starting with the version released on 12/1/2010, I went ahead and split the exported objects from the campaign file.
The current campaign file is accessible below. If you are the type of person to want the updated objects as separate objects, then that file is listed with the prior Hybrid versions.

12/01/2010 Hybrid Campaign File


Updating an existing campaign file. Rather than performing the daunting task of merging tokens and the like from a framework, check out this method for upgrading campaign files:
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=16564

The links for the 2 frameworks are here:

DN
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15969

Veggiesama
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=16429
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=16432


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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:05 am 
Zalarian wrote:
If you are familiar with customizing macros, please see the link below.

SetMacroProps, GetMacroProps,JSON, and semi-colons oh my!

I have updated a campaign file that has been circulating here that has both Veggie and Deviant Null frameworks with such things as being able to have access Veggie states inside of DN character tokens. Once I have the Veggie to DN Converter functions working correctly I will then post the updated file (somewhere..just not sure where). If it is helpful, I could also see about posting steps on how to upgrade an existing LFR campaign that uses DN or Veggie and convert it to one that uses the Hybrid framework. Also, I will be using 1.3b63 as the basline for now. This is due to some changes in the latest code that makes objects difficult to share either between PC/Mac or 32 bit/64 bit or something like that.



Sweet! Thanks for working on that! I wish I knew more about macros myself haha. I have been using the hybrid .cmpgn since I first seen it in action in one of Mrbungholes games. I think its great to be able to allow players to use whichever framework they prefer. It seems to work great other than the states veg to dn (as you stated above) and I believe most dn users when I hosted had targeting issues as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:35 am 
Xalcairn wrote:
Sweet! Thanks for working on that! I wish I knew more about macros myself haha. I have been using the hybrid .cmpgn since I first seen it in action in one of Mrbungholes games. I think its great to be able to allow players to use whichever framework they prefer. It seems to work great other than the states veg to dn (as you stated above) and I believe most dn users when I hosted had targeting issues as well.


Combining the states for the two frameworks is rather simple, but you have to take into account that the Veggie framework saves States-related information to tokens, whereas DN accesses the States from the LIB token. It's not a problem where the two frameworks use the same names for States, but it becomes a problem where they don't, such as Curses, Marks, etc.

Since some Veggie players apply states with their macros, specifically marks, these will have to remain the same as they were set. For example, if someone made their Veggie to apply a blue mark, in their power macro they would set it to apply "Mark (blue)", or something like that. That info gets saved on the token, so the hybrid framework file would need to retain the original Veggie conditions that are different than the DN.

Regarding the targetting issues, just make sure that all tokens have the "Character" state selected. To set this, jsut double-click the token and then select the States tab. You should see the Character state listed there.

Other than that, everything else works fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 10:43 am 
mr0bunghole wrote:
Xalcairn wrote:
Sweet! Thanks for working on that! I wish I knew more about macros myself haha. I have been using the hybrid .cmpgn since I first seen it in action in one of Mrbungholes games. I think its great to be able to allow players to use whichever framework they prefer. It seems to work great other than the states veg to dn (as you stated above) and I believe most dn users when I hosted had targeting issues as well.


Combining the states for the two frameworks is rather simple, but you have to take into account that the Veggie framework saves States-related information to tokens, whereas DN accesses the States from the LIB token. It's not a problem where the two frameworks use the same names for States, but it becomes a problem where they don't, such as Curses, Marks, etc.

Since some Veggie players apply states with their macros, specifically marks, these will have to remain the same as they were set. For example, if someone made their Veggie to apply a blue mark, in their power macro they would set it to apply "Mark (blue)", or something like that. That info gets saved on the token, so the hybrid framework file would need to retain the original Veggie conditions that are different than the DN.

Regarding the targetting issues, just make sure that all tokens have the "Character" state selected. To set this, jsut double-click the token and then select the States tab. You should see the Character state listed there.

Other than that, everything else works fine.


Sweet! Thanks! As I said I know about as much about framework mechanics and whatnot as I do about brain surgery haha.

Also Thanks for your work in compiling that .cmpgn mr0bunghole, I have greatly enjoyed using it and being able to allow players to have either framework. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:06 am 
I think the best way to handle players applying states automatically is to not have the selection box come up, and let the dm apply the states. It is a little slower, but works. The new hybrid campaigns I'm making have the monsters using DN because the new parser is sooo much faster than manually creating a veggie monster token... But as a player, I definitely prefer veggie...

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 5:50 pm 
I have started a FAQ for the Hybrid Campaign file by updating the initial post of this. Please see above.

If there is anything else I should add, please let me know.

I have uploaded the current version of the Hybrid campaign file to the 4E LFR Campaign Files:

http://www.4shared.com/dir/9335756/ee34 ... files.html
(Note: This file repository has more than one page; this file is currently on the last page)

The most current file is called Template_Hybrid_1.3B70_DN4.3andVeggie2.1_Zalarian_ 20100903.zip

FAQ
1. Should I make my PC token in the Hybrid framework?
Actually, I don't recommend it simply due to the nature of living campaigns having different judges and campaign files, etc. There are states that have been added from one framework to the other that may not work correctly when you use your token in a game with the selected framework. Since folks use different variations of the DN or veggie frameworks, I recommend using the vanilla campaign file provided from the framework developer.

2. Is there anything I should do to my DN token to play a game using the hybrid framework?
About the only thing I can think of is disabling targetting for powers. This is done on the first page of the character sheet under options. The reason is that it won't work very well is you won't be able to target Veggie tokens and if you get around this by adding the character state then the character sheet for DN will not like the Veggie token.

3. Is there anything I should do to my Veggie token to play a game using the hybrid framework?
Try to avoid using the following states as they are not supported in the hybrid framework at this time:
Squeezing
Stabilized
Used Action Point
Used Immediate Action
Used Sneak Attack
Used Curse
Used Quarry
Bloodied2
Knocked Out
1st Failed Death Save
2nd Failed Death Save
Misc. Mark #1
Bonus +2
Run icon
Wings icon
Penalty (-2)
Stealth
Swimming (above)
Swimming (below)

There are a few additional steps that need to be done if your PC applies any states.

A. How to convert Veggie Tokens to Use DN/Veggie Framework:
If you are using a Veggie token in a game using the hybrid DN/Veggie campaign, you may need to update some states on your token. This is due to the fact that the name of the states are different for certain types of states (primarily curses, quarries, marks, and ongoing damage).
i. Make sure that the following macros are available under the campaign Macros windows:
ConvertVeggietoDN-Curses
ConvertVeggietoDN-DamageandOther
ConvertVeggietoDN-Marks
ConvertVeggietoDN-Quarry
ConvertDNtoVeggie-Curses
ConvertDNtoVeggie-DamageandOther
ConvertDNtoVeggie-Marks
ConvertDNtoVeggie-Quarry
ii. If the above are not visible, you can drag these macros from the lib token Lib:Zalarian.MacroConverter to your global window to activate.
iii. If the lib token is not there, you can download the current one here I have and ask your judge nicely if you can place it in the campaign (be sure to remember that there can only be one lib token with the same name throughout all the maps and it should be labeled Lib:Zalarian.MacroConverter
B. Make sure you have a backup of your token (you should always have a backup of tokens if possible..or just use dropbox for your local campaign file :)
C. Highlight the token(s) you want to convert
D. Press one or more of the buttons starting with ConvertVeggietoDN that makes sense for the token to convert.
E. Review the output to make sure the states got translated
F. After the game if you wanted to keep the token you played for Veggie games (usually due to saving minor tweaks in powers, etc), you can do that by highlighting the token(s) and then pressing one or more buttons starting with ConvertDNtoVeggie that makes sense for the token to convert. You should be able to save your token and use it in a normal Veggie game.

How to convert an existing DN4.3 or a Veggie 2.1 Campaign to use the hybrid campaign file.

Here are the steps that one can use to convert an existing campaign file to use the hybrid campaign file. This should take about 10-20 minutes to convert a file not counting any testing you should do.

1. Open the Template Hybrid campaign file.
2. Go to Edit, Campaign Properties, and Export to a File
3. Go to the Window Menu and make sure the Campaign window is visible. Right click on the white area of the macro group and select Export Macro Set to a file. (This will save all macros under the campaign macro window)
4. On the main map, right click and save each of the following tokens as separate files (save without a colon in the name):
  • Lib:Veg
  • Lib:Dice
  • Lib:Sheet
  • Lib:Information
  • Lib:Updater
  • Lib:Zalarian.MacroConverter

Optional:
  • Lib:libLGMUtil
  • TeleportPad
  • RegExParser

5. Close the Hybrid File and open the Veggie or DN Campaign File that you wish to convert
6. Save the Campaign File with a new name to differentiate this one as the hybrid file
7. Note: If you expect to use some sort of custom lighting or repositories, you may need to take note of these before updating. Most of the time this is not necessary.
8. Go to Edit, Campaign Properties, and import the file you saved earlier.
9. If the campaign file is originally a DN file, delete the following files from the campaign file (these are to be replaced later): Lib:Dice, Lib:Sheet, Lib:Information, LibUpdater
10. If the campaign file is originally a Veggie file, delete the Lib:Veg token (to be replaced later)
11. Import the Files you saved earlier in step 4 to the campaign file.
12. Go to the Window Menu and make sure the Campaign window is visible. Right click on the white area of the macro group and select Import Macro Set to import the file that you saved earlier at step 3. You may need to update the filter to show all files. You will likely get a warning saying that the macro name exists; just press yes a few times to import all of them.
13. Right click and edit the macro called Character Sheet Launcher and make sure F2 is selected as the hot key.
14. If the campaign file is a Veggie file, follow the conversion steps above for each of the maps critters (Don't forget that you can select multiple tokens at one time to convert).
15. Test the critters as necessary
16. Note: Depending on the campaign file, you may have the following issues:
  • A. Certain Veggie states were used that are not supported in the hybrid file
  • B. New states were added to the original campaign file that are not supported
  • C. Certain Sight and/or Light were set up (since this information is text, it is possible to manually merge changes if necessary)
17. When it is time to run the campaign, I typically use the following settings under File, Start Server, Options:
  • Strict token ownership is checked
  • Players Receive Campaign Macros
  • Use ToolTips for [] Rolls

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P2 Zerin Stargazer / P2 Crymisil Silvershroud / E1 Llendil R'uthgalad Nelath
P3 Maddox "Mongoose" / P2 Vargaz / H3 Soulherder Vanya Mythseeker
E1 Kyla Marillion / H2 Ender/ P1 Locknar the Red of the Blue Order/ P3 Corinth Enilef
H3 Korben Airspur / H1 Alif Fluidsmith / H3 Navarre

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2010 6:52 am 
Zalarian wrote:
Next installment - converting an existing campaign file using DN4.3 or Veggie2.1 to use the hybrid campaign settings and frameworks.


Excellent so far, I'll look forward to the above to! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:55 am 
Where about's is the option in this to create tokens for monsters straight from the module? I was told it was in there some where, I can't see it though!

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:48 am 
Aha no worries I've found it, you just have to press F3, when you have a token selected. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:29 pm 
I have updated the main post to include instructions on how to convert an existing campaign file to use the hybrid file. Let me know if I need to clarify anything or if there are questions.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:18 am 
I tried to use the framework, but must be doing something really dumb. Could you point me in the right direction please:

I used the basic tokens (4E Monster token v1.6, and Bravo 1) to test it out and rolled for initiative. It gave me numbers to two decimal places (20.05 for instance). The calculation is not what I would expect: 1D20 + Initiative + MiscInit + (Initiative + MiscInit)/100. Hence the fractions. Am I using the framework incorrectly or is this a known issue and I have missed it in the forums?

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:35 am 
It's correct, the .05 for example is the tokens initiative modifier. It displays this to help with ties.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:41 am 
I just noticed something odd: the RegEx parser seems to break the damage tracking for DeviantNull tokens. The "Damage" field that shows players how much damage a monster has taken just stays at 0.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:14 pm 
logopolis wrote:
I just noticed something odd: the RegEx parser seems to break the damage tracking for DeviantNull tokens. The "Damage" field that shows players how much damage a monster has taken just stays at 0.


Hmmmm..I had a few moments to troubleshoot this..

The Damage property appears to have been set to 0 for the RegExParser token. If you want to make sure that damage is displayed, one can edit the RegexParser by doing the following:

  • Go to the Token Layer map and select the Lib:RegExParser token
  • Go to the macros on this library token and edit the macro called StatsParser under the Monsters grouping
  • At the very end of the macro, add the following line and then press OK.
Code:
<!--6/21/10 zalarian reset Damage-->[h: Damage='{if(isNPC()== 1, CurrentDamage, "")}']


I sent a note to the author of the regexparser to get some feedback. I will likely post an updated template file using a more recent version of the parser and any other utilities.

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E1 Kyla Marillion / H2 Ender/ P1 Locknar the Red of the Blue Order/ P3 Corinth Enilef
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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid DN and Veggie Campaign File (4E LFR)
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:27 am 
I just uploaded the current version of the Hybrid campaign file to the 4E LFR Campaign Files with the damage fix above as well as using 1.3B70 as the baseline.


The most current file is called Template_Hybrid_1.3B70_DN4.3andVeggie2.1_Zalarian.zip (updated 6/22/2010)

See the first posting for the link, etc.

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E1 Kyla Marillion / H2 Ender/ P1 Locknar the Red of the Blue Order/ P3 Corinth Enilef
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