This brings up a whole new question: Is it responsible to send people away like that? To cut them off from their home society for ever? I don't remember any Earth explorers who went out without the intention of coming back. I don't think that is something we should encourage. What if that tiny society on the space ship takes an unhealthy turn and ends up giving a very bad impression of humanity to the aliens?Azhrei wrote:Even if we could reach the closest star in a generation (ship time) it would appear to be multiple generations here on Earth.
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I think Az is talking about REALLY long trip where when travelling near the speed of light those on the ship experience time slower than us here back on Earth. I actually once did the math and if we accelerated at 1 G for about a year we would reach near light speed. Time would essentially stop for those on board and then they would start to decelerate taking another year. So, it'll only take them about 2 years of their life to get mostly anywhere.
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aliasmask wrote:I think Az is talking about REALLY long trip where when travelling near the speed of light those on the ship experience time slower than us here back on Earth. I actually once did the math and if we accelerated at 1 G for about a year we would reach near light speed. Time would essentially stop for those on board and then they would start to decelerate taking another year. So, it'll only take them about 2 years of their life to get mostly anywhere.
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I believe we discussed this before but I believe that time dilation due to speed is a comparative measure, and not absolute, so while it would appear time would stop for them, this is only in comparison to other beings (e.g. on earth). Therefore the light-speed travellers would live out their lives as normal (assuming they have mobility and conciousness).
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I think that Aliasmask did imply that, else I am increasingly confused.
But the Vermi something from the vid Woplph posted does intrigue me. That if FTL travel was possible and if there were other intelligent lifeforms at all we would have been contacted already. I'd feel pretty lonely if that were the case.
I just hope that the aliens have a Prime Directive or something like that, or that they just are not interested in anything we have to offer as prey, trading partners, or a colony. So that we can make contact later on.
But the Vermi something from the vid Woplph posted does intrigue me. That if FTL travel was possible and if there were other intelligent lifeforms at all we would have been contacted already. I'd feel pretty lonely if that were the case.
I just hope that the aliens have a Prime Directive or something like that, or that they just are not interested in anything we have to offer as prey, trading partners, or a colony. So that we can make contact later on.
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its 'Fermi' and yes AM did imply that. I think that bone white is mixing things up. Yes the travellers will live their live as if nothing 'strange' is happening, while to the observers on earth (if 'observation' was possible, which isn't) they would look like to barely move as their own clock ticks VERY slow.Sol Invictus wrote:I think that Aliasmask did imply that, else I am increasingly confused.
But the Vermi something from the vid Woplph posted does intrigue me. That if FTL travel was possible and if there were other intelligent lifeforms at all we would have been contacted already. I'd feel pretty lonely if that were the case.
I just hope that the aliens have a Prime Directive or something like that, or that they just are not interested in anything we have to offer as prey, trading partners, or a colony. So that we can make contact later on.
The point is:
- to the earth observer it would look like the travel would take e.g. 10 years (as 10 years passes between leaving earth and arriving at planet X)
- while for the travellers only 1 year has passed as their clock ticks slower during the travel, so they only grew one year older.
Were they to return with the same speed then overall they would have grown 2 years older while everyone on earth would have grown 20 years older
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So the key to immortality is travelling as fast as possible?
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Only if by immortal you mean everyone else's perception... by your own, you will still be getting older just as you are today.Bone White wrote:So the key to immortality is travelling as fast as possible?
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I should've realised that -.-
It should be almost impossible for a ftl entity to interact with a slower entity, therefore the ftl entity may as well be for all intents and purposes, dead to those slower. What's the point in being "immortal" in someone's eyes if you can't interact?
It should be almost impossible for a ftl entity to interact with a slower entity, therefore the ftl entity may as well be for all intents and purposes, dead to those slower. What's the point in being "immortal" in someone's eyes if you can't interact?
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Not only should we contact them, but we should rule them like gods. (cue war scene & stargate music)
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I believe the current NASA plan for a first manned landing on Mars is a non-return journey.Sol Invictus wrote:This brings up a whole new question: Is it responsible to send people away like that? To cut them off from their home society for ever? I don't remember any Earth explorers who went out without the intention of coming back. I don't think that is something we should encourage. What if that tiny society on the space ship takes an unhealthy turn and ends up giving a very bad impression of humanity to the aliens?Azhrei wrote:Even if we could reach the closest star in a generation (ship time) it would appear to be multiple generations here on Earth.
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Sorry for the absolutely long delay ^^;
Wolph, that to which I am referring is the Nuclear Fission development to create energy, or at least that's what history will tell was the ultimate 'ideal' behind the development of releasing raw nuclear energy. It didn't take much effort to adapt Fission to Friction.
I see the topic has exploded however! Perhaps this thread should be translated into 100 different languages (including binary) and then beamed unbidden into space and let them answer the question, heh.
Wolph, that to which I am referring is the Nuclear Fission development to create energy, or at least that's what history will tell was the ultimate 'ideal' behind the development of releasing raw nuclear energy. It didn't take much effort to adapt Fission to Friction.
I see the topic has exploded however! Perhaps this thread should be translated into 100 different languages (including binary) and then beamed unbidden into space and let them answer the question, heh.
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I understood that and was teasing you a bit. Although for the record: the atoms bomb was FIRST and born out of the need during war and later it was turned into something (a bit) more benign. So no, it *really* is strive that really pushes the boundaries of tech.Xaelvaen wrote:Sorry for the absolutely long delay ^^;
Wolph, that to which I am referring is the Nuclear Fission development to create energy, or at least that's what history will tell was the ultimate 'ideal' behind the development of releasing raw nuclear energy. It didn't take much effort to adapt Fission to Friction.
I see the topic has exploded however! Perhaps this thread should be translated into 100 different languages (including binary) and then beamed unbidden into space and let them answer the question, heh.
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