Ego Archive wrote:If two players in my game (dining room)keep leaving the table to talk privately on my porch, I may get annoyed, but at least I know that is consensual for both parties. Likewise if one player keeps looking across the table and winking/licking their lips/blowing kisses at another player, who is obviously not interested, I have the ability to take that person aside, and talk to them. I'd just like the same options in my maptools games as well.
This is one of the best arguments / analogies I've seen for monitoring chats in MapTool.
If being a VTT implies all the same expectations as a real tabletop, then I agree, privacy within MapTool should not be expected, but also clearly indicated (A Virtual table is also not as transparent to people than a 'real-life' table. Not literally, but in terms of expectations )
I'm still not sure there is a need to change / abandon the /w command. I'm all for adding a new one for "in-character" (/cw or /iw or whatever). I'm still a fan of whispering while impersonating to other tokens (and their owners).
I would also support an option for GMs to be able to monitor "out-of-character" (regular) whispers, provided the results are obvious. For example, if I whisper something to user "Bob", and GM monitoring is on, my chat log should say "I whisper to Bob (and the GM): blah blah blah".
I also wonder about the utility of an option on the player side to allow GMs to see private communication. The only problem here is that this setting would also have to be communicated to the GM somehow. Maybe they only see that a message was sent/received, but not the contents? GMs who really want this option on, for reasons mentioned by Ego Archive and others, can insist or boot non-cooperative players, just as you would evict an unfriendly guest from your gaming table.
Brigand wrote:1. Using other programs takes your focus away from MT itself.
2. /w has been private for years
3. Obviously this hasn't been an issue until one GM whined about it, out of the thousands that have used MT over the years
4. It's a waste of time considering the upgrade to the GUI scheduled for early 1.4
I agree with #1, and possibly 4 (as a reason to wait, but not abandon the discussion). It's ok to change a feature, provided it is clear. Only one GM started this thread, but many others have agreed, so I'm not convinced this is a minority issue. Time for a poll?
I am becoming increasingly convinced that if users want a private chat, they should use another chat program (like stepping out of the room). If it's irrelevant to the game, and consensual, the GM doesn't necessarily need to know about it. The issue Ego Archive raised above is that signing into a MapTool game implies consenting to play, not being harassed by other users. You can log off / block users in your private chat software, but not MapTool without leaving the game entirely. And many GMs often end up acting not only as arbitrators of rules, but also behaviour.
I welcome other points on both sides: I'm still reading